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Jonathan's avatar

This was wonderful. For myself, I no longer focus on strengthening my immune system. For me, it's all about minimizing the damage that results from man-made chemicals/inventions. It's weird how much healthier I've been the past few years since throwing germ theory away.

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Cold liver's avatar

Right, you can't strengthen or "boost" the immune system - all u can do is leave it alone. Don't encumber it with more battles, more things to have to fight and try and defeat. Germs are real and so is the immune system, just not properly understood by most.

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Rider's avatar

How do you know "germs are real and so is the immune system"? Could you cite actual scientific evidence in support of your claim? Because having read perhaps 700 to 800 hours about this issue since 2020, I know valid evidence does not exist (or at the very least, if it did exist somewhere, is never referenced--to my knowledge--by defenders of the unproven and faslifed belief in viruses and "germs".

If you do know of actual scientific evidence in support of "germs" and "viruses", please do pass those along to Mike Stone, Betsy, Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman, Drs. Mark and Sam Bailey, Stefan Lanka PhD, Mike Yeadon PhD, and many others. Oh and to this thread too, thanks.

If you are knowledgeable and interested in this subject, please also share with us how one can prove a virus-particle exists, when no such particles have ever been isolated and purified to test for "virus" behavior.

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Cold liver's avatar

I could be sarcastic and say - 800 hours, is that all? Call me when you get to 10,000 hours. Or, like me, 30,000 hours of study and research.

Or....just spend one afternoon in a lab

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Christin Ritz's avatar

I agree, it IS liberating to know this. I also find it isolating. I can't explain this concept to all the people I hear talking about flu season. They don't want to hear it anyway. But I appreciate your article and words that will hopefully reach some open more minds.

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Christin Ritz's avatar

I also find it so irritating when people who are consistently sick due to poisoning themselves with junk food and drugs blame the innocent microbes, or even each other, for "getting them sick!"

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Betsy's avatar

And the medical profession reinforces this by telling people it doesn't matter what they eat, and toxic pharmaceutical drugs that interfere with their own body's processes will fix what's wrong. I am waiting for more doctors to see how wrongly they have been taught, and stop purveying all that nonsense.

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Christin Ritz's avatar

I feel that so many opposite things are happening at once right now. While so many people hate each other, others are finding oneness. While so many have woken up to the truth about what can make us ill, others continue to push toxic shortcuts that make health worse. In this world of opposites, I have hope that truth, health, and love will prevail.

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Betsy's avatar

Well said! 💯

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Cold liver's avatar

This is my repeat (sorry for repeating): To say there are cells with many different roles and functions is a fun bit of fantastic imagination, is to say then we also don't have limbs or organs or hair strands - when in fact we do. We can actually see cells, and molecules, and come to learn of their specific roles and functions - thus not imagined but rather witnessed. When I cut myself i witness blood coming out. - I witnessed scabbing. With an erection we can witness a bodily function of ultimately releasing fluids, as well with peeing and pooping, there is a cellular process - so too making a baby.

We endearingly see giving birth as magical, mystical even - but it is very real - even more real than your description of what cells do or the idea of an immune system with all its roles and the many players. All living organisms have many players inside them, many players (components) that make up the whole of the entity.   

That we all respond to pathogens differently is due to the Immune spectrum - which is broad - 8 billion humans broad. When humans first came to be, the gene pool was tiny, almost singular - homogeny was at it's peak - so too the immune system of those very first few humans on earth. This is the same for all species. But, unlike all of the other 9 million species, our gene pool expanded as far and wide as the many oceans this planet has - and thus the spectrum widened.

Same for skin color, hair, etc. The lineage of humans that kept things simple, their collective immune strength was great, robust - almost akin to alligators or the Ostrich (known to have the strongest immune system in the animal kingdom). The rest of us humans - we are a hot mess and can get sick at the slightest microbial provocation.

What I will say about the immune system that was scientifically wrong, incorrect, is that we don't have memory cells. This has never ever been molecularly, cellularly proven. We do have an immune system, antibodies, B and T cells etc., but each battle with a pathogen is moot null and void - making the practice of inoculation Moot Null and Void.

We have witnessed, live, with our own eyes (and microscopes) many cellular goings on. We have studied many patterns and documented many dynamics Of cells (cell division, Mitosis, Binary fission etc.) - but the one thing there is zero visual proof of is a cell taking some type of snap shot of a virus or bacteria, then the same cell shows up if/when the same antigen rears it's head again sometime down the road.

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Cold liver's avatar

Correction - I meant to say each battle the immune system has with a pathogen is new (not moot) - it is new and not based on any memory dynamic.. This thus make the idea and practice of inoculation Moot Null and Void.

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Baya Lazz's avatar

I had a visual that was like a huge gear with cogs and once they line up the next cog falls into place. There is no getting around it. It is a very powerful mechanism and is certainly in motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiM0moNk74o

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Myriam's avatar

The indoctrination is so deep in medical schools.

I’ve been teaching Yoga to resident MDs in a hospital setting for 2 years now. Recently, I was asked to give a talk on Functional Nutrition and other things that I study. I sat in front of a group of young resident MDs and basically had a stream of consciousness conversation with them, sharing with them what I’ve learned in the past 47 years since I’ve been studying natural medicine, herbs, homeopathy, Ayurveda and TCM.

It seemed to have gone well, but I got a call yesterday from the resident MD in charge, that they were tabling my talks until a later date, because several of the residents were upset. What I spoke about goes against everything they they’ve learned in medical school and hospital procedures, which, as we know is a pill for every symptom. I can’t believe they’re still teaching this, but I told the MD who called me, that these residents are going to figure out sometime in their career, that they are not able to truly help people. I was my mother’s medical advocate for close to 40 years until she died and I have an insider’s view of how broken the “healthcare system” is. I could write a book on what I’ve seen and experienced myself.

I feel badly for them because it’s not them, it is the intense indoctrinating training they’ve been put through, that is sponsored by Big Pharma. They are good people. They are altruistic, and they really want to help patients heal, but they’re not given the tools to really do that.

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Baya Lazz's avatar

Did you cover the lymphatic system?

https://odysee.com/RobertMorse:e

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Myriam's avatar

I talk about the lymphatic system every time I teach some yoga because yoga squeezes the internal organs when you do twisting, and the deep breathing also helps a lymphatic system.

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Dr. Ryan Ebeling's avatar

Indeed, one of the most difficult parts of having any wise understanding of the universe's patterns is how lonely one can feel. Every one of my patients expresses this... once you go into a journey of discovery you start to feel like you have to leave your entire community behind. It does take courage, and it is so damn lonely to walk the path of your truth.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

I too don't see an immune system that they believe in as logical. Notice how they know very little of it too... Makes you wonder if they overcomplicated it.

It assumes that we get sick by being invaded, much like the obsession of authority and power.

The truth is that the body is run more like a city.

When the garbage collection gets piled up, issues multiply.

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Betsy's avatar

Right! It's all about the garbage building up and the body needing to flush it out. And thanks for the restack!

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Cold liver's avatar

Both are happening. Like a computer, we collect a lot of data, most of it garbage, and eventually the computer slows down, issues multiply and it begins to crash and burn. Or, we could not surf the web often, keep our desktop clean and clear, have only one or two tabs - and then all it takes is one website to send in a virus that corrupts your brand new, nice and clean computer. Viruses are both cohosts of living organisms - and occasional invaders.

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Valerie Collins's avatar

Many thanks for this, Betsy. I'm delighted to find such a simple and lucid take-down of the immune system story!

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Betsy's avatar

Thanks, Valerie!

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Jo Waller's avatar

A reply for Christin, substacks gone weird:

Also getting 'sick' is not being ill. The symptoms are the healing- they're healthy. I eat a whole food plant based, take no drugs or supplements, practice yoga and exercise every day. However, recently there was a 'cold' that affected many people I came into contact with. My body, received these ' it's a good idea to detox now' signals and I had a slightly inflammation throat for a few days, as a precaution. It's like yawning being contagious. They're just cues. Only if the body is abused, as you describe, will it be unable to cope with the detox.

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Betsy's avatar

This experience you describe is the best and most obvious answer to the question of why several people get sick at the same time. That phenomenon is, of course, the evidence always given that there must be contagious viruses, otherwise why would people who were together suddenly have the same symptoms? Thanks for the link on antibodies. I'll check it out.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hi Betsy, you’re very welcome 🙏🏽

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Christin Ritz's avatar

Hi Jo, somehow just seeing this now. I totally agree! I have had similar experiences to what you describe.

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Siobhan Justin's avatar

If the “Germ Theory of Disease” Were Correct,there’d Be No One Living to Believe It

-The developer of the Chiropractic profession, B. J. Palmer, D.C., wrote the above statement.

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Betsy's avatar

You're right. Somehow I thought it was someone else. I'm glad to know that.

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Siobhan Justin's avatar

I had to look it up because I didn't remember either. I thought it was a quote by Dr Herbert Shelton

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Stuart Hutt's avatar

Antoine BeChamp (1816-1908) was the first to propose Terrain Theory and argue that there are no viruses or something attacking from outside. Pasteur won the PR battle. Others carried on BeChamp work, Gunther Enderlein (1872-1968) and Gaston Naessons (1924-2018). They all viewed our bodies as polymorphic where one cell could take on different forms. My own view is our cells are being replaced at an astounding rate. All red blood cells every 4 months, liver regenerates every 2 months, brain 9 months, rods/cones in eyes 2 days etc. Our bodies have to dispose of this cellular trash. When we eat and drink too much our system gets bogged down and we have a Herxheimer reaction of our body detoxing too fast telling us to slow down. Maybe the immune system is our trash system.

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Betsy's avatar

Excellent point about cellular renewal. I will need to add that when I talk about detox events. I would hesitate to call the "trash removal" function of the body our "immune system," though, because immune system partakes so much of the war metaphor, and that there's anything to be "immune" to. Maybe we should have a contest for naming this function of the body!

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Cold liver's avatar

So many of you detox with toxins - aka plants. This is counter productive. If, when, you want/need to purge the body - eat nothing, drink only water for as many days or weeks as you can. This is a true cleanse, a true way to allow cells to regenerate and replenish - unencumber by toxins from our food stuffs. Details here: https://ifbacongrewontrees.wordpress.com/2018/12/14/the-river-will-deliver/

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Crixcyon's avatar

This is magnanimous and contrary thinking and it's excellent, Betsy. I often wondered how you could "strengthen" the presumed immune system and at what point does it get so strong you could live forever or never be sick? Of course, sickness comes from within.

Without all this allopathic nonsense, most of the medical system collapses. This type of medicine is supposed to be evidence based. Thus, the medical community can invent anything it wants and indoctrinate the public since few are going to question all this technical jargon.

As we have seen with so many drugs, vaccines and mRNA poisons, there is literally NO substantial evidence to support their use. Or at least they offer nothing that the body cannot provide for itself when relatively healthy.

Today I am "thankful" for you and articles that question the status quo. Not all of us want to be boxed into group-think with no way out.

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Betsy's avatar

Thanks so much, Crixcyon! I bet we could all live longer if we stopped believing in nonsense and took better care of ourselves!

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J.P.'s avatar

You can probably find your missing quote's correct attribution somewhere on whale.to (fantastic site for supressed medicine). I couldnt search for it cuz the site is completely banned here in Sth Korea.

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Betsy's avatar

Apparently it was correctly attributed in the meme--B. J. Palmer, a chiropractor in the late 1800s who kept his head when the germ theory was taking over the thinking in allopathic circles.

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Virginia Stoner's avatar

There are MANY clues about what caused the massive increase in US deaths in 2020, contained in the official records themselves. As far as I know, no one has attempted to correlate either the mainstream virus narrative, or any of the alternative narratives about cause, with the mortality data--probably because all of these narratives are false. Intro and the mortality data is here: https://www.virginiastoner.com/writing/2024/8/30/the-us-democide-of-2020-2022-in-a-nutshell-kjl68

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hiya, there wasn't a massive increase in deaths in the Uk or the US in 2020. The US death rate was about the same as it had been in 2000 and in England and Wales it was the same as 2008. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/deaths-england-and-wales-2020-2022?utm_source=publication-search

There was some correlation with miazolam administration shown here https://jowaller.substack.com/p/seeing-is-believing

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Virginia Stoner's avatar

You are mistaken. The number of deaths recorded in the database is a matter of record, not a matter of opinion. Look at the link I provided, which provides a summary of the mortality data, along with links to the saved search in the US records so you can run it yourself easily.

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Virginia Stoner's avatar

My comment is about US mortality. Your article is about UK/Wales mortality.

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Brian Root's avatar

I wonder if, in the context of the Flat Earth hypothesis, "immune theory" is like "a moon theory", that says the moon is 239,000 miles away. Could they both be made up by "scientists" with too much time on their hands?

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Betsy's avatar

There's definitely a similar dynamic. I'd describe it as two examples of how we are being deliberately lied to. The ones who are still pulling the strings in our realm know what the truth is, and they've concealed it with false narratives that people study and develop new theories about. I believe many are waking up to the lack of actual evidence for things like germ theory and viruses, the globe, evolution, magnificent buildings being constructed with primitive technology, dinosaurs, the history of our planet, and so much more.

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Rose Steenhoek's avatar

Even more thorough than usual, Betsy. Impressive investigation! Question: I was “sick” for a couple of weeks recently. (First time in 5 years). I don’t know how to speak about that anymore since I don’t think that “sick” Is the right term. I’m not gonna say “I’m detoxing” to those who are unaware of the body’s natural processes. Any ideas? “Clearing out”?

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Betsy's avatar

I'd say go ahead and say you're detoxing or clearing out. You'll have to explain what it means--opportunity to drop this idea into people's minds. I found that, once I let go of viruses, it was fairly easy to imagine the body's natural processes of "taking out the garbage" because it really makes a lot of sense. And it's not just toxins from outside. There's also cellular debris from normal processes (see Stuart Hutt's comment above).

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Warrior's avatar

Could it be that the reason we get colds in the winter is that for those who’s toxins and cellular debris did not clear naturally in the spring and summer, the body uses the more sedate winter months to purge what didn’t clear normally in spring and summer? This assumes that those who don’t clear naturally on a daily basis, are accumulating toxins and debris due to unhealthy habits, and can only put up the fight to clear the accumulated mess when their bodies get more rest during the shorter days, or this being related to certain electromagnetic changes in the earth due to gravitational changes with the moon etc. (I’m not a physicist..)

Or even more simply, the body clears itself yearly or bi -yearly in a purge session if it’s not keeping up daily. Possibly tied again to certain electromagnetic changes in the atmosphere primarily in the fall and winter months.

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Betsy's avatar

I think that is a good explanation for how it's supposed to work. It makes a lot of sense That the slow-down of winter would be the time for the body's processes to go to work, just like they do at night when we are at rest. In the exceptionally toxified environment that we live in, I would say that we always have more to clear than our bodies are designed for on a day to day basis. Eating and living habits that contribute to the load makes it that much harder.

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Inverted Reality's avatar

Why can't you say that you are detoxing? Who cares that they are unaware, make them aware! That is the only way people are going to learn, if we are all going to keep quiet or find ways to sound 'normal', we will remain in this global ignorant state for ages.

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Rose Steenhoek's avatar

OK, thanks for the suggestions. That makes sense to me.

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Will R Thomson's avatar

go watch YouTube “the immune system under a microscope” you dumb gasighting fucks.

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Dreamom3's avatar

You will always change people’s minds with ad hominem attacks. Good work!

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Will R Thomson's avatar

Your missing the point

The words brains are PSYSICALLY RETARDED FROM LEARNING CRITICAL FACTS. So "changing their minds" stopped being the goal a long time ago.

Now it's just shit on them for hiding their ignorance. And documenting their evil suicidal hilarity.

For future people.

I've got a job to do.

Until they all stop lying. Fuck. Them.

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Dreamom3's avatar

You much have quite a story to have so much anger towards people who interpret data differently from you.

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Will R Thomson's avatar

Interpreting data.

"Look at me, I'm interpreting data".

No your not.

Your a zombie with blinkers on bumping into a circuit board going "look at me, I'm a scientist now" hoping nobody will notice.

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Will R Thomson's avatar

If you interpret data differently to me, it just means your wrong.

And dangerous.

So anger is justifiable.

Remember how the experts got all basics wrong and it turned out dangerous?

Well that's what your like.

People want to hang them now.

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Will R Thomson's avatar

I've got twelve books worth and 1800 videos of humanity saving reality breaking unbelievable real life fantasy realtime adventure horror comedy stories.

But you won't ever find out.

Cos your too busy being childish and butt hurt.

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sadie's avatar

It surprises me this thinking throws out the last 100 yrs of discovery and holds onto Pasteur as the final word. This "no immune system" idea is certainly new to me... but it's a free country... I'm watching this all like a movie.

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Will R Thomson's avatar

The no immune system idea is proof of their retardation when you can go watch actual videos of immune cells fighting cancer and bacteria etc. these people are retarded. Best keep watching it like a movie. There is no helping them all.

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Will R Thomson's avatar

No, your watching this all like a blinkered brain dead zombie.

Please keep enjoying the totalitarion hell comedy show.

It's going so well

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Cold liver's avatar

We do have an immune system, yes. But each battle the immune system has with a pathogen is new, win lose or draw - it is new and not based on any memory dynamic.. This thus makes the idea and practice of inoculation Moot Null and Void.

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Rider's avatar

The idea of an immune system is a downstream derivative (or invention) of the idea of pathgenic "germs" and "viruses". But logically, the first step must be to demosntate that such microbial pathogens exist and behave as such.

Such demonstrations have never been accomplished. In the case of bacteria and fungi, no one was ever able to demonstrate pathogenecity. They found a bacterium in some cases of illness, but not others; they found the sam bacterium in perfectly healthy people. They found the same illness symptoms associated with still other bacteria. No one could fulfill Koch's Logical Postulates, not even the first of them.

Viruses were dreamed up (not observed) to rescue a Beautiful Idea from the scrapheap of bad (fasified) ideas. But no one has produced a study of which I've read that demonstrates in its methods section the step by step prcedure whereby they isolated "virus candidate particles" from the tissues or fluids of any sick person or animal. It could not be done, although many tried and tried.

This is the reason they were forced into relying on the now many times discredited cell culture method to produce dying cells attributed (without proof) to "viral infection". This idea was and is that not being able to find and isolate the imagined virus is no problem; we've got indirect evidence" of "virus presence". But...no they did and do not. The cells dying is from antibiotics, antifuingals, stress and starvation, all features of the cell culture procedure. As such, it has many times been demonstrated that cells die as readily in cell cultures never exposed to (from the point of view of virus believers) a "virus", as in so-called "infected" cell cultures.

Don't worry about antibodies until you've found the body.

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Cold liver's avatar

Saying they found the same bacterium in healthy people is the same as saying - ten people got covid and five died. It all comes down to immune strength.

Science has identified pathogens and have studied what they do, what they can do. This many years ago.

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Rider's avatar

Correection: Sometimes scientists thought they had fullfilled one or two of Koch's Postulates, but when other scientists tried to replicate the first experiment they almost always reported failure. If bacteria caused illness, it would be easy to demosntrate, but it has been evidently not doable.

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Cold liver's avatar

Bacteria cause life. Bacteria cause death. These both are known. So too with viruses, they help, many times in tandem with bacteria, to create all the living organisms around us, from giant whales and redwood trees, to the tiny ants and blades of grass. We owe a great amount of debt to these microbes. They were here first, and they will be here last to be sure.

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Rider's avatar

You beleive that? Be my guest.

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Cold liver's avatar

Seeing is believing. Come out of the rabbit hole and go into a lab.

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sadie's avatar

You must be too young to have had chicken pox or measles ...

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Cold liver's avatar

Why?

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Phoebe AJ Reading's avatar

A book By Ethel Hume named “Bechamp or Pasteur”, published in 1942, exposes Pasteur's plagiarism and scientific fraud.

”It contains the evidence of the false grounds on which the germ theory of disease was elevated to its current status as a dogma”

Despite clear evidence that Pasteur’s germ theory is wrong, the medical industry not only propagates this false ideology but profits from it. It is the Tower of Babel, a sinful narrative built upon the ignorance and suffering of man. It will fall.

Microbes/viruses (and these terms need to be defined) do not cause “infection” - they are seasonal workers that we have co-evolved with - they are a part of us, they inform our DNA, they are not something we “catch”, and definitely not something we should eliminate.

So what is actually happening in our body when we become "ill"? What is the CAUSE of disease?

In GNM, the word “disease” is often used as a placeholder for the term “Significant Biological Special Program” (SBS)

The word disease suggests malignancy, but a biological program is a physiological response at the organ level, to a specific emotionally isolating psychological conflict. Dr Hamer, the creator of German New Medicine, purports that all disease manifests this way. His approach can be categorized as “cause based medicine”

If the first two biological laws are understood even at a basic level, the concept of “disease” in conventional terms is abolished. There is no need to “cure” anything because the display of the symptom, bar a few exceptions to the laws, is the “cure”.

“Illness” in the context of GNM is the result of the two-phase healing pattern - depending on the persons ability to recognize the patterns aligned with the biological laws and do there best not to disrupt or relapse into conflict activity or stagnate in a hanging healing - will impact how quickly they finalize the program/heal.

Conscious awareness of the programs and our perception of our experience that caused the initiation of the program is paramount to healing. I suggest a good term to use here might be “conscious healing”. You can think of GNM like a language for reading and addressing our coherent biological system (our body) with specialized and coherent adaptations (tumorous growths, inflammation, pain and swelling etc) that are mislabeled as illness/disease/cancer.

Nutrition is important insofar that it supports the body when running an SBS, initiating the two-phase healing pattern and returning to homeostasis. However it is not the CAUSE of “illness” or “disease” or an SBS. Only a specific type of conflict (psyche) will initiate a specific biological program (brain) that will affect the specific organ, and ONLY a conflict resolution will allow the body to enter the healing phase, which is when we show symptoms, and when modern medicine disrupts the healing process. It is a synchronistic process of psyche>brain>organ. It is not a theory, but a set of laws, that are true and reproducible for all humans without exception.

This framework obliterates modern medicines commodification of the human body and puts the power back in our hands, in our minds, where it has always been.

“If Dr Hamer is right, then all books of academic medicine are nothing but waste paper!”

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sadie's avatar

I suggest you go to a university virology lab... most are thrilled to show you up close and personal "germs".

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Melinda Corp's avatar

Nothing about the human body surprises me these days! It’s now strongly looking like DNA is a fractal antenna or receiver hence no inheriting bad genes from prior generations. Btw, Watson and Crick DID NOT discover DNA, however we’re awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, thereby pulling a fast one on the public who falsely accepted it.

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